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If you edged the ball to the keeper, would you......
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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the league and its officials have determined how we view the game and how we wish to conduct our behaviour, the hccl created us now stop moaning and deal with it.


What a load of crap, if you're honest you walk.

Players (i.e. us) determine how the game is played, most of us are grown ups and should therefore accept responsibility for our own actions.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FNP walked on Saturday...... and he started the topic.  He has also received flack on this post about not walking.  

The umpire and their lads even commented that he was a fair player for walking.  (he did take the case off it though)

well done FNP....
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wacka wrote:
FNP walked on Saturday...... and he started the topic.  He has also received flack on this post about not walking.  

The umpire and their lads even commented that he was a fair player for walking.  (he did take the case off it though)

well done FNP....


Thanks for that Wack. The reason I walked was because there could be no way any umpire would not have given me out. And you're right, the umpire and the players thanked me for walking, but the keeper did dive across 1st and 2nd slip to take it at 3rd slip!!! So I walked.

BTW, I thought the Umpire, Norman Hazel was excellent on Saturday, didn't give much, but he told the bowler why he'd said not out after every appeal. Showed his knowledge of the rule book.

Thanks Norman, hope we get you again.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to completely agree about Norman.  He was a good umpire who took the time to talk to the players.  At the end of the day he is there to enjoy himself too.... i think we all sometimes forget that.

If we are going to criticise poor umpires then I think its only fair that we give the good one's credit for doing the job to the expected standard.

Well done Norman, as FNP said....hope you are upat the Coombs again sometime soon...!!!!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eh?

How can a non-walker, then walk? Just cos it was obvious you were out shouldn't change your principles surely! Does it depend on how much of the ball you hit before you decide to not walk?

I'll stand there for a thin edge but if the keeper has to dive then I'll go? Can't see your logic on this one FNP or Wacka.

Agree about the umpires though - we've got some good blokes and decent umpires in the HCCL. If/when I take it up, I'll be trying to talk to the players as much as they want me to - communication is the key for me with an ump.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iron Man wrote:
bashfulbear wrote:
the league and its officials have determined how we view the game and how we wish to conduct our behaviour, the hccl created us now stop moaning and deal with it.


What a load of crap, if you're honest you walk.

Players (i.e. us) determine how the game is played, most of us are grown ups and should therefore accept responsibility for our own actions.


is not walking any different to a bowler appealing when he knows blatantly it is going down leg side? ur not shy of an appeal or 2 running up the hill iron man from what i remember. it works both ways
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bowlers often get good shouts turned down as well, so that evens the bad ones out.

There's no doubt in thick edges, get walking.

I only appeal for the plumb ones  
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I only appeal for the plumb ones  


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

haha iron man, you sound a bit daft saying that, batters tend to get a fair few bad decisions so if you can get away with a few then so be it, and clayers that aussie lad you had playing for you took the casing of one at our place but stood his ground i am pretty sure you didnt give him a stern talking to, so pipedown.
there are many good umpires in our league, but there is the odd one that could do with brushing up on the laws of the game, but you get that in every form of the game, so i say stand your ground and let the man in the white coat do his job.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bashful...

You tell Clayers to 'pipedown', but I'm not being dictated to by someone else whether I should walk or not. Everybody is entitled to their opinion on walking or not. As long as they can handle the umpire's decision and take the rough with the smooth.

You won't see many Aussie batters walk...
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats because they are prepared to cheat to win, it doesn't make them right.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

misfit i think you misunderstood i wasnt trying to tell anyone what to do i was just trying to justify why people shouldn't feel bad about not walking.

i have played in the hccl for 7 years and i have only witnessed a handful of players ever walking, so i feel this has not been reflected in the opinions given by many of the users on here. i too agree that people on here are trying to pull the wool over our eyes in trying to make us believe they are the most honest and sporting players the world has ever seen.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

iron man you have just stated you take advantage of some poor umpiring when bowling in the hope that it evens itself out over the season how does this differ from the batter doing the same??? does this mean you are also a cheat surely not.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bashfulbear wrote:
iron man you have just stated you take advantage of some poor umpiring when bowling in the hope that it evens itself out over the season how does this differ from the batter doing the same??? does this mean you are also a cheat surely not.


Bowlers are allowed to appeal for LBW decisions, batters are out when they hit the ball and a fielder catches it, it's in the rules.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

is it against the rules to stand your ground and let the umpire decide your fate?

surely appealing for lbw when you know it wont hit three sets of stumps in the off chance the umpire wont give it is just as bad as standing your ground in the hope the umpire makes the wrong decision. whether the rules say otherwise or not it is about right and wrong and in my eyes they are exactly the same.

so stop taking the moral high ground, in your own words you are a cheat.


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