Walk or Stand Your Ground??????

FatNonPro · Walk or Stand Your Ground??????

Let see how many forum users actually walk.

Must admit i cut the case off one on Saturday and stood my ground. I've never been a walker. 4 weeks ago i was set on 37 and got a shocking lbw decision (pitched well outside leg and wouldn't have hit another set). So the way i look at it Saturday evened things up.

In an ideal world everyone would walk and umpires wouldnt make mistakes. We have some very good umpires in our league, but there is also a number of poor umpires, some clearly do not know the rules of the game.

I know even the best umpires make mistakes, but some are making 3 or 4 in a game.

WALRUS

as an old head i'd walk always have always will

Clayers

I don't buy this "it evens itself out over the season" rubbish. That implies that everything in the universe balances out eventually, and we all know that life ain't like that - so why is it different on a cricket field?

Even if the umpires are poor, we ain't got a game without them, so to me it's not acceptable to stand there when we feel like it. You get a bad decision - you go off the field and chalk it down to experience - shit happens from time to time.

Anyone who cheats like you've described FNP will get a volley from me if it happens in a game I'm playing in. You may or may not be bothered by that - I don't care about what cheats think about me!

Your choice to say "I'm not a walker" - just as it's mine to walk. I'm happy with how I play the game - I couldn't play it your way.

Heinz

So someone steals your wallet, does that mean you have to become a thief? Cheating has a direct impact on the current game not what may or may not happen 4 weeks later. I'm looking forward to playing Mirfield this weekend and hope we don't have to put this to the test.

Oz

FatNonPro

Clayers, I dont see myself as a cheat. I wouldn't claim a catch if I grounded it or if I stepped over the line, I just see the not walking thing as "part of the game". Im sure you walkers will not see it my way, just as I dont see it your way.

Over the years ive maybe got away with 5 or 6, Where as ive got dozens of bad decisions. So you're right it doesn't even up!!!

Its a shame your 2nd team aren't all as honest as you Clayers. Last season I was given out caught behind when i hit the ground. And guess what, they didn't call me back, even though only young Easty appealed and the rest of the boys knew I hadn't hit it.

Please dont patronise me about the impact on the game Heinz, ive played since i was 9 years old. Truth is players not walking has always gone on and will go on for as long as the game is played. You walk I dont, get over it.

BTW, I got S*it loads of grief from the fielders on Saturday, and you're right that doesn't bother me. I'd expect it.

Heinz

VoiceofReason

What do we pay an umpire for? to give decisions ... some wrong some right. I played in the game FNP was talking about and was fielding in slip. His bat hit the ground but there was two noises(I thought) and ump gave him out ... He told us after the game he didn't hit it and that was fair enough. I think if we start making decisions for umpires it can cause confusement and make the umpire look stupid .. let players play and umpires umpire.
Also a question for walkers ... last game of season need to win to get promotion .. 20 to win 8 wickets down and you get a nick to keeper ... umpire shakes his head do u walk?

Heinz

Unfortunately though when umpires get it wrong everyone starts slagging them off, umpires have to be sure the batter has hit the ball and if in doubt give them the benefit whereas the batter usually knows if he's hit it.
And yes i'd walk, even needing 2 to win 9 wickets down.

Clayers

If I've got a nick to the keeper I'm already walking off VOR - no need for the ump to shake his head.

The circumstances of the game make no difference - how can they if you're a walker? It would be hypocrictical to stand there

Misfit

I'm not a walker, umpire is there to do his job just as I'm there to do mine. Couldn't care less what stick I may get from fielders, heard it all before...

I feel that over the course of a season any decisions I got away with batting would make up for the odd LBW or snick behind that didn't go my way when bowling...

VoiceofReason

I am not sure all walkers are such honest gentlemen as Clayers & Heinz .. some I think play to the situation of the game ... like I have got 60 I have had enough ... or I have got 0 I am not walking for anything ...

vvs

its easy to talk here lads but cricket is a practical game i dont think there are many players who would walk whether thats on the international scene or in any league like the hccl. we got lots of talkers in this league. imagine its a cup final (sorry a few of u probably havent played in one u need 10 runs its last wicket u edge it and umpire says not out) face it you would deny all knowledge .

Iron Man

If you're not sure if you've feathered one, fair enough, wait for the umpire, but if its spun the bat round i your hands and you still stand there you are cheating.

VoiceofReason

vvs says - we got lots of talkers in this league. imagine its a cup final (sorry a few of u probably havent played in one)

I agreed with what you said vvs but no need for the arrogant comment ..

Misfit

I concur VOR...

Heinz

Are you going to make an appearance this Saturday VOR?

bezza

the only problem i have with non walkers is when they get a bad decision they cry their eyes out,no abiding by the umpires decision then.
in reading the forum the last week or so you'd have thought the hccl was a paragon of virtue with guys walking all over the place,cant say iv seen any difference between this league in the last 3 years iv played in it and the drakes which i played in for eons,its the same everywhere some walk some dont,some walk sometimes some never walk.it will be a conversation topic as long as the game is played

caddyman

FatNonPro

Caddyman, im not calling your team dishonest. Just making the point you appealed when i wasn't out.

I was given out when I did't hit it. I was given not out when I did hit it last week. Its just part of the game.

vvs

oh sorry i seemed to have upset a couple of people here . na its nothing to do with arrogance its just the truth . i mean i didnt blow anu trumpet regarding victory or abilities i simply stated a fact . but if i have upset you i dont really care

VoiceofReason

No didn't upset anyone .. I just reckon if you were a box of chocolates you would eat yourself.

ClothBat

I know you all read the Times, but I thought I'd post this anyway. Gilchrists thoughts on the subject.......

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/cricket/article6565043.ece

Clayers

Not only do we read it, one of our players writes in it actually.....

And helps famous cricketers with their words - check out Matthew Hoggard's excellent autobiography.....

ClothBat

Top stuff Clayers, I can't live with that. I've read some good reviews about Hoggy's book, I might have check it out.

I've been trying to think of minor celebrity's I've played with but not got any at all. Few guy's who've been int nick and a guy who worked in a dildo factory are as close as I can get!!

Clayers

Although I'm biased as the co-author was my best man, I still think it's a top quality read - especially the Hogfacts, which may be coming to a HCCL field in the near future!

howzat

Can we please name and shame the members of the forum who have selected the "Not Walk" option?

thirdman

if somebody is trying to tell me nearly half the people in the hccl walk then ur having a larf!
the only person i have seen walk in the last 6 years is that lefty from OAP.. forgot his name but he plays in the league team now and then

Misfit

Howzat - I'll hold my hands up, I selected 'Not Walk', as I've already stated the umpire is there to give me out. Just as I won't pick the ball up for a fielder if it's at my feet, they are there to field the ball.

Thirders - Clayers walks, seen him do it for the past 12 years I've played with him!

VoiceofReason

I am holding me hand up as well .. I will not walk for a thin or thick edge and even hover when all three stumps are out of the ground in the hope the umpire has called a no ball .. I don't regard it as cheating I just want to have a bat.

thirdman

Robster

If you know you have hit the ball and the catch is clean, then you are out. Agree with clayers on this and you should walk. Reference the Mirfield twos not calling you back, VOR is right there was two noises, no one was 100% sure, in that case the poor umpire had to make a decision. That said I have played in games where a batsmen has been called back even though the umpire has given them out, and also where the batter walked himself after a bump ball. The spirit of cricket springs to mind.

Man From the South

Well Heinz - according to Mirfield Website Misfit is making his comeback on Saturday - lets see if you can get him to edge one.

Misfit

Rumours get round pretty quickly these days, it is true though, I am coming out of retirement this weekend.

Sky Bet are giving lower odds on me shoulder arming one and getting my off poled cart wheeled!

Clayers

I'm not taking that bet - it's your usual method of dismissal!

I shall be watching on with interest hopefully!!

Misfit

Once shoulder armed to one and got middle pole cart wheeled, BAD TIMES!

Heinz

Leave as many as u like on Saturday then!

flofax

misfit can believe you've not talked yourself in to the 1st's whats up with clayers not playing this weekend then

Clayers

He talked himself out of the first team last season and doesn't want to go back!

I'm having a minor operation tomorrow and won't be fit - I should be back for the weekend after, if selected....

flofax

all the best for the operation tomorrow pity its this week would have been good too play against you and misfit to catch up

Oz

woohoo!

almost four pages... *flogs the dead horse harder*

Heinz

Misfit didn't shoulder arms after all, just did a sponsored walk down the wicket to get stumped instead.
Eastie's tantrum bringing out the drinks was funny as well.
And ironically I didn't walk until given out (although not a snick, thought it was a bump ball but I could be wrong).

Misfit

Heinz,

It was nearly a sponsored run. I thought about trying to get back, then realised how far down I was and started to walk to the pavillion. Then your keeper fumbled twice and made it look even worse!

Definitely not a bump ball either! Good try though but the umpire was having none of it!

Young lad bowling off spin looks as though he has some talent, bowled it pretty well and battted with some matureity.

Heinz

I'll take ur word for it on the bump ball then, was just a bit wierd how it went so high in the air, not sure that umpire was watching half the time, I had to stop mid delivery once as he seemed more interested in what was going off round the boundary!
Young Ollie is doing well for us with the ball, he's full of confidence, turns it and isn't scared to give it plenty of air although I didnt think he bowled that well on Saturday, as u will know slow bowlers will always pick up wickets most batters seem to lose their heads against them.

bashfulbear

this is how i see it the umpire gets paid to make the decisions and we pay our subs to play the game batters get one chance aweek to get some runs. so why walk, i would stand there and let the umpire make the decision if it is a blatent edge and it clearly carries and the umpire doesnt have a white stick or a labrador to help him out then i would walk. it isn't cheating it is just knowing your place the umpire has the final word leave it at that. lbw's plenty of batters get dodgy ones and bowlers take advantage of the quality of umpiring by appealing for everything that hits the pads even though they know it isn't out, this happens every week the bowler will rub it in by apologising whilst your on your way back, sportsmanship is not always evident in this league.

the league and its officials have determined how we view the game and how we wish to conduct our behaviour, the hccl created us now stop moaning and deal with it.

Iron Man

wacka

FNP walked on Saturday...... and he started the topic. He has also received flack on this post about not walking.

The umpire and their lads even commented that he was a fair player for walking. (he did take the case off it though)

well done FNP....

FatNonPro

wacka

I have to completely agree about Norman. He was a good umpire who took the time to talk to the players. At the end of the day he is there to enjoy himself too.... i think we all sometimes forget that.

If we are going to criticise poor umpires then I think its only fair that we give the good one's credit for doing the job to the expected standard.

Well done Norman, as FNP said....hope you are upat the Coombs again sometime soon...!!!!

Clayers

Eh?

How can a non-walker, then walk? Just cos it was obvious you were out shouldn't change your principles surely! Does it depend on how much of the ball you hit before you decide to not walk?

I'll stand there for a thin edge but if the keeper has to dive then I'll go? Can't see your logic on this one FNP or Wacka.

Agree about the umpires though - we've got some good blokes and decent umpires in the HCCL. If/when I take it up, I'll be trying to talk to the players as much as they want me to - communication is the key for me with an ump.

thirdman

Iron Man

Bowlers often get good shouts turned down as well, so that evens the bad ones out.

There's no doubt in thick edges, get walking.

I only appeal for the plumb ones

thirdman

bashfulbear

haha iron man, you sound a bit daft saying that, batters tend to get a fair few bad decisions so if you can get away with a few then so be it, and clayers that aussie lad you had playing for you took the casing of one at our place but stood his ground i am pretty sure you didnt give him a stern talking to, so pipedown.
there are many good umpires in our league, but there is the odd one that could do with brushing up on the laws of the game, but you get that in every form of the game, so i say stand your ground and let the man in the white coat do his job.

Misfit

Bashful...

You tell Clayers to 'pipedown', but I'm not being dictated to by someone else whether I should walk or not. Everybody is entitled to their opinion on walking or not. As long as they can handle the umpire's decision and take the rough with the smooth.

You won't see many Aussie batters walk...

Iron Man

Thats because they are prepared to cheat to win, it doesn't make them right.

bashfulbear

misfit i think you misunderstood i wasnt trying to tell anyone what to do i was just trying to justify why people shouldn't feel bad about not walking.

i have played in the hccl for 7 years and i have only witnessed a handful of players ever walking, so i feel this has not been reflected in the opinions given by many of the users on here. i too agree that people on here are trying to pull the wool over our eyes in trying to make us believe they are the most honest and sporting players the world has ever seen.

bashfulbear

iron man you have just stated you take advantage of some poor umpiring when bowling in the hope that it evens itself out over the season how does this differ from the batter doing the same??? does this mean you are also a cheat surely not.

Iron Man

bashfulbear

is it against the rules to stand your ground and let the umpire decide your fate?

surely appealing for lbw when you know it wont hit three sets of stumps in the off chance the umpire wont give it is just as bad as standing your ground in the hope the umpire makes the wrong decision. whether the rules say otherwise or not it is about right and wrong and in my eyes they are exactly the same.

so stop taking the moral high ground, in your own words you are a cheat.

Iron Man

If thats how you justify your cheating, good luck, you must need it.

Howzaat ???!!!!

bashfulbear

same to you fella

Mr_Flash

Well i'm all for walking but it rarely happens.

We had opener today glove to the keeper off the 1st ball and he stood his ground and wasn't given.

What made it worse was he got a 50 and later admitted to gloving it. The umpire also apologized later in the game saying he should have given it out.

Heinz

Name names and shame the cheat.

bashfulbear

simple no one walk and leave it up to the umpire to make the decision then everyone is playing on a level playing field rather than moaning at the people that stand there ground calling them cheats, it happens in all forms of the game so come on guys deal with it and it isn't going to change in our league. especially when international players are cheeky enough to stand there even when they know the umpire can call up on the third umpire when he is unsure.